Saturday, April 7, 2018

A Revealing Bates Selfie


The following was written by Tony Bates and posted April 2, 2018 in response to a comment by Alex Steinberg. Alex rightfully pointed out that WBAI "should not be broadcasting trash, even if some people find it intriguing." Bates, as you may know, pops up during fund drives and is responsible for some of the most outrageous distortions of afrocentric history and baseless medical claims. He and Kathy Davis were the disingenuous hucksters of Double Helix Water, which they said could cure cancer, autism and just about anything. That one was so glaringly fraudulent that he was forced to take it off the air, but he has since come up with several equally dishonest pitches and continues to underestimate the intelligence of the station's listenership, even as it all but disappears.

If you have wondered why the station features and encourages such shameless programming and why the audience exodus inspires endless repeats rather than cessation, this Bates selfie says it all. Let us hope that the good news announced by Pacifica yesterday will facilitate the firing of Bates as well as Berthold Reimers. WBAI needs professional, dedicated management, and there is no time to lose.

From the fumbling mind of Tony Bates. No attempt has been made to correct his writing.


That content will always sell.  It's specifically the content which large amounts of the Pacifica audience tune in to receive.  The problem is that those whom see themselves as the 'gatekeepers for the intelligentsia' don't see a value in the programming which our audiences value.  We're convinced that we know better than our audiences, therefore, like missionaries, we're delivering our stories and perspectives (as ancient as they may be) without concern for audience interest.  Most of our political perspectives are commonplace,  the same can be heard on NPR, CNN, or MSNBC.  Why tune into Pacifica to hear a poorly produced version of the same perspective, which is on NPR with better production values or seen on CNN with video?  We like the former "Air America" are becoming a mouthpiece for a Democratic Party which has moved  rapidly to the political right.

When I worked at WPFW, despite my protestations, the GM, who'd come from outside the network insisted to me that I become host of a new program I'd created, "Because you're the only person on this station who talks up to people, everyone else talks down to people."  It's a truism for Pacifica radio. (Read one of our email chains if you think otherwise.)  We're so convinced of our points of view, we air them whether or not the audience is interested, we'll air them even if no one is listening.  So instead of talking to the audience, we end up talking at the audience, that is the few still tuned in.

Recently, WBAI producer Geoff Brady, hosted a debate on geoengineering, a topic most in Pacifica positions of power or in 'gate keeping' positions would laugh at or dismiss.  Post broadcast, the debate has garnered more than 25,000 listens on Youtube alone.  Again this topic would be dismissed generally by the 'Pacifica Intelligentsia" and I use the term loosely, but the  audience is widely interested. 

100s of milliions of people are debating the 'flat-earth' topic  online.  The debate has become so overwhelming online, that Neil Degrasse Tyson has practically been forced onto late night talk show circuit to debunk  the theory multiple times.  On late night television millions more are exposed to the topic, which is big enough for Stephen Colbert, but not for Pacifica, we apparently know better, so we don't need to have that stupid debate.  It's the obvious 'missionary position, 'we'll learn these heathens yet...'. 

To be successful, we have to reach the audience WHERE THEY LIVE, rather than where we live.

Pacifica audiences tune in largely for TOPICS, not just perspectives, and intellectual discussions which can't be easily accessed in the mainstream media.  Tune in to our news coverage and note how similar our perspectives have become to the 'alternative mainstream' as well as CNN and MSNBC, it's the antithesis of Lew Hill's vision.  When we ask questions anymore, they are often based in the already created narrative of the mainstream story.  We are often parroting CNN & MSNBC.  We're losing audience because we've lost our way.

Here is a current example:
  
In the last week, David Hogg, Parkland, Florida school shooting survivor, completely changed his story about his whereabouts the day of the shooting. (See video below.)  Not altered... completely changed his story.  He now claims that he was at home when the shooting began, not on school grounds.  Rather, he rode his bike 3 miles from home to the school, arriving  before the news media and before the police.  Then sneaking past an active shooter, he joined his fellow classmates in hiding.

From my perspective this is news.  After all there was a national march based in part on this guy's reporting of the event just last week. 

One is left to wonder if any Paciica News Department finds this dynamic change in the story meaningful.  How have we become so homogeneous as a network, that none of our news departments, are even questioning  this huge anomaly in the biggest news story in the country?  

HOGG CHANGED HIS STORY ON CBS NEWS, but we're so caught in the narrative, we've neither noticed nor questioned it.  It's a failure of our duty to our audiences. 


Interestingly, no mainstream media, from either side of aisle is reporting this story.  Oddly Pacifica has the same position as the mainstream media, we aren't reporting the story either.  So we have that in common.

If our plan is truly to draw and build audience, our product at the very least must be unique, because the Pacifica mission requires it and the audience demands it be so.  Their dollars, which we're no long seeing are speaking louder than our words.

Tony Bates
Programming Manager
WBAI 99.5 FM
388 Atlantic Ave
Brooklyn, NY 11217

25 comments:

  1. His lament that Pacifica did not get in on the flat earth "debate" says it all.

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  2. (JustAListener)

    I'm going to cut against the grain here and say Bates actually makes a valid point.
    Since the posts of Livingston's programming comments some weeks ago, I've done some mulling over what Pacifica, particularly WBAI should be these days.

    (BTW, listening to Livingstone with his umm, well..., we could say, umm, not that I'm saying, well... style I was reminded of David Gann from the Double Helix commercial.
    The difference being Gann was saying something (that DH water will cure cancer, autism etc) while trying to sound like he wasn't saying it. Livingstone was saying nothing while trying to sound like he was saying something.
    I do hope the announced agreement will prove Livingstone to be a person of substance despite the way he sounded but this being Pacifica I put no faith in words or announcements - we shall see...
    Oh, when I did some Googling I spotted that apparently Gann died in 2013. Might be the real reason DH water hasn't been back on the air. Funny how these "discoverers of the fountain of youth" don't seem to live very long.)

    Bates is right that there is no point having a station that is basically a low budget, poorly produced NPR.
    In the 1940's there was no NPR, no internet. Radio was a tightly controlled commercial world.
    Seems to me that these days much of Hill's vision is filled by NPR, PBS, talk radio, the internet etc.
    So what is unique about Pacifica? The listener sponsored model.
    So Pacifica has the freedom to broadcast stuff that sponsors, underwriters and gate keepers such as YouTube would not allow on other outlets.
    It also means Pacifica won't have the money to pay lush salaries or have beautiful facilities.
    Pacifica will be dependent on volunteer producers and lean staffing.
    Pacifica will be subject to controversy and some chaos.
    But it can offer useful and compelling programs.

    When I discovered WBAI about 15 years ago, I was initially attracted by Garry Null because I liked the sound of his voice. I also found listening to him extol the virtues of rich, colorful fruits, cruciferous vegetables etc influenced me to improve my diet.
    Did I buy his products, agree with his "AIDS denialism", subscribe to his anti-vax position? - no, I think he's mostly a quack, but his support of a better diet and his skepticism of mainstream medicine are supported by other evidence.
    After discovering Null, I also found shows such as Off The Hook, Expert Witness, Weaponry, Simon Loekle, the PC Radio Show, etc.
    Programs that were often off-beat, not always well produced, but they were produced by people passionate about the subject and contained information not available on "underwriter approved" media outlets.
    It doesn't bother me that a "flat earther" might make his way onto the air as long as it's not presented with NPR style "we will tell you what to think" arrogance.
    And I confess I've enjoyed some of Geoff Brady's wacky shows (does he really believe that stuff or is it just for audience building like "Coast to Coast"?).
    It would be great if various programs were discussed/debated by other producers (I loved when Crosier called in to Brady's show to pull the "Zapper").

    Perhaps the best thing Pacifica could do in these days of "snowflakes", "triggering" etc would be to promote a message that it's a crazy world full of many opinions, passions, hallucinations,etc and listeners need to be able to hear them and think about them (or outright reject them) without running to a "safe space".
    That would be truly revolutionary.


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    1. reply here to another anonymous "just a listener" of Wbai, we presume?
      and Trying to get more out of that comment than this person's personal displayed writing here : more relevant questions arise,but it takes too much to read the whole, long comment. so here are questioned parts:

      “WBAI should be..”

      - how easy to always claim We Know what "SHOULD be" …but have no access, ability, position to prove that is better than what is being done so far by those who have that power ? huh ?

      “So what is unique about Pacifica? The listener sponsored model.”

      [does that mean: people pay Pacifica - instead of paying another station directly …instead of buying products they then get to keep from those other stations’ advertisers - instead of paying Sinclair, Comcast, Charter, et al same directly, as Pacifica ?

      Is there a big difference ultimately how these corporations, all are, set to GET our $$$? huh? ]

      So "Pacifica has the "freedom" to broadcast stuff that sponsors, underwriters and gate keepers …. would not allow on other outlets. "

      [Pacifica has no gatekeepers ? huh ?
      who confirmed that illusion ? –
      and when we enjoy the use of such vague words as “should-be”, “freedom” and even “gatekeepers” – that no one is clearly defining or describing what their own personal definitions are – as they claim to know.... well those are just words, talk, maybe written to be noticed, but not saying much realistically nor concretely tho…. ==
      then bringing up more questions & concerns -to any critical thinking readers anyhow. ] Let's get real, may here, anyhow.

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    2. (JustAListener)

      I post with the handle "JustAListener" because it helps people follow the conversation. If the anon post doesn't state "JustAListener" it's not me.
      It also reminds people that my opinions are those of someone who is just a listener.
      I never worked for WBAI/Pacifica, don't know anyone who works there, hvae never visited the station's offices.
      But I am someone who has been a paid member, and when I gave money it was because I appreciated the programs I liked and wanted them to continue (I did once get the PC toolkit premium). And I donated even though the station aired programs I thought were poorly done and/or represented ideas I thought were false.

      When a media outlet takes corporate money they are subject to greater scrutiny and control (particularly if they depend on a few major sponsors).
      Big corps don't like to be associated with controversy. This can be seen with right wing programming as well. Shows like Limbaugh's don't have Fortune 500 advertisers such as GM or Coca-Cola, the advertisers tend to be small, privately held, such as mattress makers etc.
      Listener/sponsors tend to be more tolerant and each one is only a small fraction of the station budget.
      This can have some less than desirable consequences as well. These days a corporate sponsored station could never allow an accused harasser to remain at the station (in a management position no less). Look how quickly WNYC cleaned house.

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    3. thanks for explanation of your status...actually the management & Pacifica needs to hear from a concerned listener, as you are , obviously.

      They usually avoid anyone who may want to claim some Rights to Questioning their non-representatives on PNB or LSB or staff....pretending to hide behind no-replies, no acknowledgements to voice mails, or emails, holed up in their privileged on-air-access niches.

      NO one has ever bothered to reply or explain anything for many years of my asking any questions, mundane ones or pertinent to their management ones either.

      It takes so much time, effort, work to even TRY to communicate or be heard, even tho the fake-claim of "freedom", "open", owned by listeners / members, and all that BS that is not operational, actual nor reality at Pacifica- anywhere that I have seen or heard.

      Even their in-group emails are non-responsible and non-responsive to questions asked, except for maybe 1-2 people who tend to care enough to reply there.

      why some of us continue to stay loyal or care if they drown in their chaotic ineptness or if they continue emphasizing miniority-victims-mainly, plus some music to relieve the pains, is not clearly understood - by me or others who also complain, as many do here at this blog too.

      there must be some secret yearning for their ideals and words to COME TRUE vs. just be blather, repeated cliches, and fake lures for money $$$. I guess...


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  3. Bates does not have a clue. Does he really think the Democratic party is drifting to the right? Does he really believe the programming is similar to NPR or MSNBC? WBAI needs to get out of the bubble and engage people with different views. You don't do that with shows that are pure propaganda with audiences measured in the dozens. You don't do that with flat earth and geoengineering BS. You engage in current events, music, art etc. and bring in different perspectives from left and right and all points in between. After all the effort to keep Pacifica going, to maintain the current management is just unacceptable.

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  4. If Bates is saying that Pacifica should give its listeners any kind of bullshit that appeals to them, because that is how you build an audience, then how is he different from Fox or Trump?

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    1. Unfortunately, your analogy is not so far out. WBAI, in general, is not unlike Fox or Trump—the only saving grace is that the station has no listeners and it cannot go on forever as a memory of what it once was.

      Bates either believes or wishes that a sizable audience is tuned in, but he contradicts himself in his not so coherent attempt to justify gross mediocrity.

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    2. Actually, now that I think of it, Bates attitude is similar to a comment I heard attributed to, I believe, Joe Cugalmas (indigo, correct my spelling), where he supposedly said that if the listeners want 24 hour a day polka music, they should get it.

      SDL

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    3. Are you suggesting that Bates is fulfilling a request for round-the-clock crock?

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  5. "...and continues to underestimate the intelligence of the station's listenership..." I disagree. He knows the idiocy of The Remnants dead on.

    "We're losing audience because we've lost our way." Very true, but he doesn't understand what he said.

    What Bates is saying is that if The Remnants want shit, feed it to them. H obviously believes WBAI should go the way of being a left version of George Noory.

    SDL

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    1. I should have said "...the station's PAST listenership..." I agree that Bates is aware of the very small number currently comprising WBAI's audience. The listeners he speaks to are dumbed down remnants and people who believe they are getting a bargain when they pledge to pay $200 for an item that can be readily obtained online for $15. The people whose intelligence he and the Reimers cronies underestimate are the ones who no longer tune in.

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    2. Agreed. These doofs, as do Pacifica in general, find themselves befuddled as to why people have tuned out for years. They just don't get it.

      Bates isn't an idiot, but he is a petty con man. He's the kind of jerk that goes into the ghetto and suckers someone of five Dollars instead of going into the rich part of town and suckering a person of one hundred Dollars

      SDL

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    3. (JustAListener)

      BTW, just because I said Bates had a point doesn't mean I was offering praise.
      I take it for granted on this forum that people understand WBAI cannot succeed with the current management in place.
      Even if they stumbled into programming that increased membership income, they would use it as an excuse to spend/steal and leave the place in a bigger hole.

      But Bates' comment did offer some contrast to comments I heard form Livingstone and others that call for better programming. Their implied solution is "hire a professional program manager and spend money putting professional talent on the air".
      Sounds simple and it's tempting but it rarely works and it's a road Pacifica can't afford to travel.
      Will Pacifica lure a programming guru more talented than the one who had WABC spent big $ hiring Geraldo Rivera? How about the geniuses behind bringing Katie Couric to CBS or Megyn Kelly to NBC?
      I wonder if earlier blunders were the result of such thinking, the move to a prestigious building on Wall St, the signing of a burdensome contract with the ESB - was management thinking "These expenses will be affordable once we bring the station into the "big time"?
      My message is "fuggetaboutit". There isn't a magic savior who will plug in a new schedule that will generate a flood of new membership.
      First the station needs an honest person with a modicum of clerical talent to look after the basic functions. Then a person or persons who have some knowledge of WBAI will have to start adjusting the programming. They should leverage the talent and goodwill already in the station "family".
      WBAI (if it survives) will always be a niche player, working with a tight budget. There will be controversies within and without. And that can go along with it being a meaningful and significant part of the media landscape.

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    4. Here's a little story that shows one person can make a station successful, if it fills a niche. WFDU general manager and program director (yes, he's both), Duff Sheffield, has filled a niche left by the former oldies station WCBS, by instituting the Retro Radio format for the majority of its broadcast time. This has proven so successful that their recent annual fundraiser not only raised the goal but went over the goal by a bit.

      It just shows that a brain and some time can build an audience. acifica has no brains and three years to fill an intelligent left leaning niche. Will they succeed? I'd sooner put my m0ney into penny stocks...

      SDL

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    5. We, WBAI, saw the pledge total exceeded when the money came in. BTW the way we were set up back in the Sixties, I was both general manager and program director. However, I should point out that we had several program departments, each one led by its own director (public affairs; drama & literature; music; news). Thus, I was more or less the coordinator and the one who gave the nod or came up with special programs, such as ones that involved multiple departments or co-production with our other stations. The three managers met in person, monthly.

      A very different approach that worked well and resulted in good radio.

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  6. (JustAListener)

    SDL, thanks for mentioning WFDU's new format, I'll have to tune it in.
    Sad thing is WCBS hasn't changed format. It's just the songs I think of as modern/contemporary are now oldies which I suppose makes me one too!
    (Still kind of hard to imagine a song like Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit" as a "golden oldie" but it is over 25 years old)

    I think WBAI may be able to survive (given competent management) as a potpourri of niches.
    That's what it's been while I've been a listener.
    I don't think a listener has to like more than a few hours a week to be willing to donate a basic membership or kick up for a premium. I bet many listeners who pledge during OTH James Irsay or Dave Keney's cabaret show don't listen to much else on the station.

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    1. We need "Pacifica Spring" in the near future, a spring cleaning throughout the network, open the windows, (throw the bums out), let in fresh air and sunshine, followed by a deep cleaning (disinfection and insecticide, and have a major reset.

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    2. There is a flaw in JustAListener's reasoning. The fact that someone likes one or two shows on WBAI is not enough to lead to that person's support of the station as a whole, if most of the rest of the programming is the odious pile of shit that it currently is.

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    3. I agree with that. I think a more sensible rationale for supporting WBAI would be to make one's donation contingent on a complete change in management.

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    4. I agree with JustAListener overall. I gave $25 twice to WFDU to support two shows I like in particular (Bob Koenig and his NEW show of trying doing a format like the old WNEW of the early '70s progressive rock FM rock station (Sunday 6PM - 10PM and Al C for his alternative rock Signal to Noise show (Sunday night into Monday morning 10PM - 2AM). There's other stuff I like, and some I don't on WFDU, but nothing that offends me.

      I gave $75 to WFMU because of the overall station, however. I believe in its mission of varied music programming, with an emphasis on underground and non-mainstream stuff. Also, I respect how the station is operated and its success as an indie non-commercial station.

      The case of WBAI is having to weigh what I like, which is nothing these days, against what I find anywhere from shit to offensive. The times I thought of giving a donation to OTH or TPCS, I stopped myself because of the other programming I would also be supporting.

      I do think many people donate to a station because of a small number of shows they like in general, but that's not everyone. There's a big difference in not liking some programs and finding programs to go against your moral codes and/or IQ level.

      Could WBAI pull out of its morass? Of course. Victory has been snatched from certain defeat throughout history. The problem is that WBAI and Pacifica are too riddled with politicos to do what needs to be done. Bates demonstrates that with his mentality of trying to hold onto the morons that listen rather than trying to get more people to listen.

      SDL

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    5. I made the original comment questioning the reasoning of JustAListener. I am in agreement with SDL. A person might donate to a station because of 1 or 2 shows IF the rest of the programming is inoffensive. However, most of the programing on WBAI is terribly offensive, in a host of different ways.

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    6. Or in different ways the host offends.

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    7. When it comes to offensive hosts, WBAI's headcount is high.
      Same applies to ignorant hosts, self-adoring hosts, delusional hosts, inarticulate hosts, opportunistic hosts, unimaginative hosts, has-been hosts, never-was hosts, con-artist hosts...

      ...that is why the first order of business must now be to banish them from the station and replace them with intelligent people who know and respect the concept upon which Pacifica was founded.

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  7. Here's one host that fits most of them hosts descriptions ... Mimi "I should have been born black " Rosenberg.
    Making Butthole Reimers and Bates proud with 2 hours of blackness.
    Unfortunately most potential listeners and former listeners , not so much.

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