Cerene and that Uhuru guy played the race card, inane shouts converged telephonically, Cerene stuck that ever-pointing finger down her cavernous sandpaper-lined throat and spewed her garbage...
Sound frightfully familiar? It should, but hear these grating verbal scribbles for yourselves and don't overdose—just click anywhere along the line.
The following is the exciting play in its split entirety, captured before this august body retired for an "executive" meeting.
PNB Exercise in futility (Part one)
PNB Exercise in futility (Part 2)
PNB Exercise in futility (Part one)
PNB Exercise in futility (Part 2)
Another PNB meeting gleefully messed up by Cerene because the other members didn't do their homework.
ReplyDeleteThe usual. The chair is incapable of maintaining order, and those intent on delay and disruption carry the day. Nothing is accomplished.
ReplyDeleteNor has it been for decades.
Surprise.
~ ‘indigopirate’
Don't rotten apples eventually dry up?
DeleteDried apples are fine, of course, rotten apples not so much.
DeletePerhaps Zombies is the apt comparison here?
Certainly there’s the foul stench of rot and corruption.
~ ‘indigopirate'
ps: I’m rather amused by their delusional claims that they’ll have any role to play in the massive opposition to Lord Trump.
Wonder who’s more delusional – Trump or WBAI/Pacifica.
I suspect that one’s a pretty close call.
Delusions of significance, delusions of power, delusions of not being delusional.
DeleteTrump, one might say, is delusional, but significant by default.
Classic move by Cerene. Bury the chair in points of order, information and privilege and then complain when he can't sort things out immediately.
ReplyDeleteCerene is so well provisioned with food that she could withstand a siege of several years.
ReplyDeleteSDL
The standard approach to dealing with people like Cerene is simple:
ReplyDeleteOne chooses not to recognize them other than on the few occasions one considers it appropriate.
If they then continue to speak up despite not being recognized, despite not having the floor, you rule them out of order for having spoken without being recognized. If they continue to do this you expel them from the meeting.
It’s simple, it’s done, it isn’t complicated.
It’s the chair’s responsibility above all to advance the business of the meeting and of the body – not to allow members to hijack the chair’s responsibility or the business of the meeting and of the body.
Why do these people find this difficult?
~ ‘indigopirate’
ps: Yes, they may very well challenge the chair, but all the chair has to do is call for a quick vote – it’s clear that the majority of the body, the will of the body, is to advance the business of the meeting, and of Pacifica – any challenge will be defeated.
Lee that is too logical for them to understand.
Delete"Yes, they may very well challenge the chair, but all the chair has to do is call for a quick vote" is, in the case of Pacifica, like a snail crawling cross country on a sight seeing tour.
ReplyDeleteSDL
Compared to the pace at which the Pacifica Boards move, that cross-country snail is a gazelle.
DeleteNotice how rapidly new members adapt to the chaos—the atmosphere, poisoned by Cerene and the JUCs, appears to be infectious; attempts at introducing reason and even a modicum of normalcy are doomed.
I am increasingly convinced that nothing short of a return to square one can keep up the impending final curtain.
Cerene is what was called an "instigator" when I was a kid. She knows just how to interrupt and get people into fights that delay any business at hand. Yes, the newbie PNB members are as dumb as the older ones, and allow themselves to fall into the same chasms as the older ones. The newbies don't even bring in a fresh ignorance or stupidity, but sounded like nothing has changed. The only person who did anything worthwhile was Steinberg(?) who told Cerene to "Shut up!" Of course, this led to several manipulated minutes of her accomplices whining and trying to make it a racial issue.
DeleteThere is no question that Roberts' Rules of Order reign supreme and not Robert's Rules of Order...
SDL
Cerene's infantile performances do neither side any good.
DeleteBTW, Is there something missing from your last line?
No, it's a semi-hidden joke. Look carefully at the punctuation.
DeleteSDL
Thanks, I got it—how dense of me!
DeleteConsidering how much time Cerene Roberts spends arguing about Robert's Rules of Order, I always find that ironic joke in a PNB shindig.
DeleteSDL
@SDL, et al: It's simply necessary that the chair then immediately direct the secretary to begin calling the roll for a vote with respect to the challenge to the ruling of the chair. Any utterance whatsoever from anyone other than to uphold, reject, to abstain, or to pass, is then immediately ruled out of order (since it is in fact out of order), no attempt to challenge such ruling is given the floor, and after any individual has three warnings they’re excluded from the meeting.
DeleteIt ain’t complicated.
It’s a matter of will and of the simple intent to get work done rather than to allow the meeting to be routinely hijacked by anyone who cares to make the attempt, however feeble and feckless.
I agree with your observation, though, that they’re incapable of it, both as individuals and as a group. The most recent meeting once again proves the point – the chair had the ability, with the new phone setup, to give warnings as to being out of order for speaking when not having been recognized by the chair, and after three (or whatever) such warnings, to exclude that party from the phone conference. Yet he did nothing, and the usual chaotic tedium prevailed, as ever.
I simply mean, I suppose, to make the point that there are solutions available – readily available – for this problem as so many others, and the fact that no such solutions are arrived at demonstrates the feckless incompetence of these folks.
For my part, I find it nice to know there are solutions, and that such situations are not in fact hopeless – save in those instances where the people involved are hopeless.
QED,
~ ‘indigopirate’
@‘indigopirate’: I agree that it should be easy to maintain order and silence those who choose to disrupt the meeting, especially when it's a teleconference, where one can simply mute an abusive person. I guess it's a lack of strength of personality at the head of the meetings that simply allows this drivel to continue. You'd think the "parliamentarian" would advise as to what can be done about this. Maybe he does and is ignored?
DeleteI guess it ultimately comes down to how many people on the PNB really want to get to accomplishing anything instead of having a monthly Cerene interruption fest.
I still think the PNB meetings should be broadcast on the five Pacifica stations so the supporters can hear what is running the network.
SDL
We are told that Reimers' invisibility is due to his having to spend the bulk of his time locating, packing and mailing out the "thank you gifts." The man is paid $100,000 year, possibly $110,000 and this is what he does?
DeleteI herd Reggie say, the other night, "make your pledges and we will do our best to send you the premium"—DO OUR BEST???? There are people out there who have ben waiting two or more years for delivery of the product they paid for!
This is the gang that can't talk straight. That infamous word list that's taped to their closet wall needs more than the six no-no words...
You know the old saying about your best not being good enough...
DeleteAlso, it's seven dirty words. Here's a link to the wikipedia page on it and pictorial amusement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_words
SDL
So 'BAI and Gary the Null have had another falling out.
ReplyDeleteGary's on right now, explaining that his show "and my audience" are no longer welcome on the station. 'BAI ran an older Null show today, and apparently did the same last Mon-Thursday. Good Ole' Gary's explaining right now that he's single-handedly kept not only WBAI, but the entire Pacifia network, alive. Oh yes, and he's also going on about how he's never been "paid" for his service. What a joke; WBAI has garnered millions for Null, as he's used their 50kW signal to pimp his supplements, his "stuff", his workshops, for decades.
Wonder what really happened, with this latest Snake Oil v Snake Oil drama?
When and where was this? I'd like to hear it.
DeleteSDL
So would I. I looked for it but couldn't find it.
DeleteI don't mean to offend anyone, but so many rumors get started about Pacifica matters that I like to go to the source before I make any judgements. Add to that the topic being Gary Null, who has claimed to have all sorts of secret documents about WBAI and Pacifica. You know, the criminal documents full of sexual abuse and criminal behavior that he NEVER releases.
DeleteBy the way, this past Sunday's Twit Wit Radio poked a few jokes at the PNB meetings.
SDL
The sexual abuse and criminal behavior ARE true. Ten years ago, a shrink was sent to WBAI to interview staff - the shrink said SHE had nightmares about the stories she heard. Staff members that are deceased had a BIG part in that behavior, including one staff member who deliberately passed AIDS to his colleague. Filthy place!
DeleteDo you have any specific information that might lend weight to your anonymous statement? I think tales of back-stabbing and disharmony within the station have long since gone beyond rumors, but I hope personal behavior and amorality is not being treated as routinely as claims of "cures" and twisted world history.
DeleteIf history is any guide, the star-crossed lovers will kiss and make up (yet) again. Like a dysfunctional co-dependent couple, they need each other.
ReplyDeleteWhen and where was this? I'd like to hear it.
ReplyDeleteSDL
That was on Null's PRN feed, yesterday. He did his 'BAI excoriation mostly on Utrice Leid's time, though. Figures.
I spot checked and didn't hear anything. Maybe it was edited out.
ReplyDeleteI DID notice Democracy Now replaced Null on WBAI today, but Null was on PRN.
SDL
I also checked Null's PRN archive (Mar. 20) rather thoroughly and concluded that the commentary re WBAI had probably been redacted, but then I read an anonymous comment indicating that Null's remarks were done on Utrice Reid's time.
DeleteI'm still looking, please let me know if you find it.
Checked both Null and Leid for March 20 and nothing.
DeleteSDL
Guess Null had it removed.
DeleteDemocracy Now again instead of Null.
DeleteSDL
From what I gather, reading various posts, Null walked out, but apparently had little choice.
DeleteIn other words, another encore performance.
As I said, another "encore performance."
DeleteThere has been talk of Bates feeling threatened by Null's success (real or imagined). It wouldn't surprise me to hear that Bates is after Berthold's job. The place is infested with walking selfies.