Sunday, December 25, 2016

Does the grid sparkle?


The following is a partial list of programs aired by WBAI that Jack Shalom—in a post to PacificaRadiowaves—considers to be “gems”. I have added my comments (in red). What are your thoughts?

*Democracy Now
Still good and appropriate, but showing weakness.

*Guns and Butter
Truther talk that occasionally flirts with objectivity.

Law and Disorder
Excellent.

First Voices radio with John Kane
Mostly ego-driven drivel.

Economic Update with Richard Wolff
Excellent.

Talk Back with Ron Daniels
A self-promoting, single-minded grab of free commercial airtime.

Talk Back with Malachi McCourt
Excellent.

Morning Irsay--lessons in music appreciation with James Orsay
Excellent.

Gary Null
Highly questionable misuse of the soap box.

The Positive Mind with acolytes of Armand DeMille
Excellent.

Take Charge of Your Health with Corinne Funari
An inappropriate commercial venture.

Arts Express--arts and politics with Prairie Miller and your correspondent
Excellent.

*Sojourner Truth
Very uneven Afro-centric KPFK import.

*Letters and Politics
Excellent.

The Morning Show --with Michael G. Haskins and guests
Valuable time slot wasted by an incompetent, unimaginative host.

Joy of Resistance-feminist show with Fran Luck
Sounds good, but I am not qualified to judge this topic.

*CounterSpin
Good.

TrumpWatch
Off to a good start.

Laura Flanders Show
Why?

Through the Opera Glass
Good music, knowledgeable presenters.

Randy Credico--political comedy
Good interviews with interesting guests—wisely downplays Credico’s humorless comedy.

New World Gallery with Chico Alvarez
Excellent music and presentation.

Golden Age of Radio with Max Schmid
Mixed bag of nostalgia.

Building Bridges--labor issues with Mimi Rosenberg
This laughably self-declared “sister” is a bad joke with a mouth that apparently can’t be closed. 

*The Jimmy Dore Show--political comedy
Some of the humor is strained.

Housing Notebook
Excellent, informative program that stays on course.

Liquid Sound Lounge--free form music with Jeannie Hopper
A long-running, meaningless mixture of bland music and idle chatter, this is a more or less thinly disguised promotion for Ms. Hopper’s commercial ventures.

Off the Hook--issues about hackers and
Generally excellent and authoritative. Good for WBAI.

Out-FM with John Riley and Bob Lederer
The subject could be handled more intelligently, but this one has its moments.

Personal Computer Show with Hank Kee
Hampered by the stagnancy of hopelessly out-dated DOS graduates.

The Katie Halper Show---political comedy
Still waiting to hear an inkling of humor, political or otherwise.

Cuba in Focus with Sally O’Brien
A worthy subject stifled by the host’s race-coated twists of truth.

Everything Old is New Again--the great american songbook with David Kenney
Well produced show, seemingly aimed at the gay cabaret set. No redeeming value as a Pacifica program.

And You Don't Stop--hip-hop with Chuck D.
Basically, a run-of-the-mill DJ show that might do well elsewhere.

All Mixed Up--sound collage with Peter Bochan
Excellent and intelligently conceived audio collages.

Hour of the Wolf--science fiction with Jim Freund
Usually excellent, thoughtfully produced program. Freund knows the subject inside out and attracts the right guests.

Explorations--physics and politics with Michio Kaku
Excellent in every way—should be scheduled in an appropriate time slot.

On the Count--prison issues
Excellent.

Radio Free Eirann
Well produced and presented, but limited to the Irish Republican side of this ongoing conflict.

Equal tIme for Free Thought--atheist and religious issues
An important subject that begs for more open discussion, but definitely fills a gap left by virtually all NYC stations.

And more that I haven't mentioned. (Sigh)  

This is an extraordinary list. Maybe some of you from the other stations weren't aware how strong this line-up is. This is hours and hours and hours of great programming. *Anyone who can't sell the shows in this list to a left audience isn't trying.*

A left audience forms only a part of the so-called “community.” WBAI has no mandate to aim at a “left” audience, nor—for that matter—a segment of the area’s black audience. When the lemmings declare WBAI as “community radio,” they are showing how limited their thinking is. Intelligent people of all colors are insulted by such a seriously limited scope. The original common denominator used to be an honest, intellectual approach to as wide an array of subjects as possible. Dumbing the station down and blurring its vision with eyes that see only one point of view is anathema to independent thinkers—an insult to intelligence, an incentive to tune out. 

Promoting the current WBAI is akin to selling a seriously moldy loaf of stale bread, because small parts of it remain edible.

And that's the problem. Management isn't trying.

Strictly speaking, the station has no management. Berthold Reimers is by no means the first misfit to occupy the GM position, but he may well be the worst and costliest—ca. $800,000 in salary alone, so far.

* Not originated at WBAI 



You're missing the point Jack. It doesn't matter whether we agree a show is good or not. We have no formal way to evaluate programming at the moment. The program grid as a whole simply does not work. Are we reaching a significant share of the potential audience? Are we raising enough funds to meet expenses and pay down internal and external debts? Are we serving underserved communities? Are we reaching out to a broader audience instead of just 'the left audience'? The answer to all these questions right now is a firm no.

We should develop a program evaluation strategy that includes a variety of factors but with the goal of raising the number of listeners and members. More listeners mean more members which means more money being raised. This strategy should be combined with a continuous fundraising model where fundraising is done within the context of a given program. This would end the long boring dedicated fundraisers while raising money on a continuous basis.


There are a number of factors to consider. The first would be ratings which in this context means website traffic and archive downloads. Other factors would include income generated by program, income generated by hour, production values, fundraising efforts by a given program, cross-promoting other shows, adherence to the Pacifica mission, serving under-served communities. Evaluating programs from other stations would need to be done in a different way. I also think we should find ways to work more closely with affiliate stations.  —Michael Ochoa

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  1. I have a poor opinion of almost everything on WBAI. There are some shows I can't comment on because they aren't my kind of music or entertainment, so neutral on those.

    Otherwise...

    First Voices radio with John Kane - Total phony.

    Randy Credico - As long as he has a decent guest, he's OK. Otherwise, the idiot comes out in him.

    Economic Update with Richard Wolff - Good observations, but lousy answers from an antiquarian socialist.

    Talk Back with Malachi McCourt - McCourt is the best person on WBAI.

    Gary Null - Alex Jones leftie alter ego.

    The Jimmy Dore Show - Unfunny psycho who said American police are worse than ISIS because American police kill women and children. He said this crap on The Dumb Jerks (aka The Young Turks).

    Off the Hook - Inconsistent show that goes from awful (most of the time) to excellent (on occasion). The main problem is the irrational Emanuelle Goldstein.

    Personal Computer Show - Two elderly and, sadly, unhealthy men who are long lost in the past of computer tech.

    The Katie Halper Show - Another unfunny leftie loonie and bigot.

    Everything Old is New Again - Good for its target market, but should be on WNYC.

    All Mixed Up - Fun show with one of the longest lasting hosts in WBAI history.

    Hour of the Wolf - For the Science fiction fan, this is a great show.

    Equal time for Free Thought - "Faketheist" philosophical babble. WBAI needs a real atheist show.

    SDL

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  2. Text of my reply to Jack's post:
    You're missing the point Jack. It doesn't matter whether we agree a show is good or not. We have no formal way to evaluate programming at the moment. The program grid as a whole simply does not work. Are we reaching a significant share of the potential audience? Are we raising enough funds to meet expenses and pay down internal and external debts? Are we serving underserved communities? Are we reaching out to a broader audience instead of just 'the left audience'? The answer to all these questions right now is a firm no.

    We should develop a program evaluation strategy that includes a variety of factors but with the goal of raising the number of listeners and members. More listeners mean more members which means more money being raised. This strategy should be combined with a continuous fundraising model where fundraising is done within the context of a given program. This would end the long boring dedicated fundraisers while raising money on a continuous basis.

    There are a number of factors to consider. The first would be ratings which in this context means website traffic and archive downloads. Other factors would include income generated by program, income generated by hour, production values, fundraising efforts by a given program, cross-promoting other shows, adherence to the Pacifica mission, serving under-served communities. Evaluating programs from other stations would need to be done in a different way. I also think we should find ways to work more closely with affiliate stations.

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  3. Wonder if bai is gonna "transition" and become one of the "ancestors" anytime soon ?

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    1. Where do these terms come from Chris? I once read an announcement from Cerene about a homecoming and it took me a minute to figure out she was talking about someone who had just passed away.

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    2. These terms have been around for many years—going back to slavery times, I believe—but most often used on funeral programs and announcements. In recent years, a younger generation of black people has adopted the term from their elders. Homemade Afri-bozos like the hateful Cerene readily pick up and run with such terms in order to—I suspect—affirm their blackness. The WBAI go-with-the-flo bunch have taken the cue.

      Whatever the reason, it has become a strand in a veil of racism.

      Don't take the above as gospel truth, just an observation.

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    3. A lot of these euphemisms became popular via the New Age nuts over the past few decades.

      SDL

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    1. Randy: Without WBAI and the table scraps you get thrown from David Rothenberg and the Fortune Society, nobody would know that you exist. You call that a career? DOUBLE HILARIOUS!!

      KGT

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    2. If this is the real Credico, then he's showing the idiot coming out in him, as I said above. He can't even have a civil discussion, which is typical of his ilk, who can only utter words like "racism," "sexism," etc.

      Suffer in your own failure, Credico, knowing you will never be anything akin to a Lenny Bruce or George Carlin.

      SDL

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    3. SDL: Breathe in now breathe out. Let all the tension go. Randy is OK even if he does kiss the ass of his guests. I remember his interview with Jill Stein was practically a campaign commercial.

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  5. What's wrong with what I said about Wolff ? Now *you're* censoring.

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    1. Sorry, I must have missed that one. I do not censor, so please repost it.

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  6. I didn't think you did, thus was surprised. I agreed with SDL's assessment of Richard Wolff - both the positive (raises valid points) and negative (antiquarian socialist) - and went further to say imo he is arrogant, pompous, patronizing, self-satisfied and has the certainty of his own rectitude of a Hitler. If he ever got his hands on the reigns of power I have no doubt he would remind us of AH. As a professor he should be prosecuted for corrupting the youth. Economic Update is the BAI show I turn off the fastest, and that's saying something.

    Off topic but related, smart though Noam Chomsky obviously is, all the same things could be said about him.

    Not to beat a dead horse, but upon reflection I realize what I really meant to comment on was not SDL's assessment of Wolff, but yours - that Wolff's show is excellent. His show is so one-sided and polemical, and you seem to try hard to be objective and even-handed, that I was really surprised at your assessment. Also, Wolff's rabid marxist socialism doesn't seem like your thing either, nor such one sidedness what a professor should be (a hopeless hope in this day and age, admittedly).

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  7. I am not a Marxist, nor am I in complete agreement with Wolff, but I try to be objective so my assessments do not necessarily reflect my personal likes or dislikes. Not trying to make an excuse, I have found some of Wolff's informative and I can see how his program might have strong appeal to others.

    I find the distorted, outright fabricated black "history" created by the likes of Clarke and "Dr. Ben" totally unacceptable and irresponsible. Ditto Ron Daniels' wish to have Obama pardon con-artist Marcus Garvey and Newark, NJ dubbed an "African city."

    Sorry about the mixup, I hope I got it right.

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  8. Inauguration Day karaoke with Earth Mom & Randy Credico. The number of people who show up for crap like that are the number of people who seriously need to get a life.

    SDL

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    1. I heard the "earth mom" announcement of this "event," and was surprised when I realized that it was not intended as a joke. The whole station is a farce. Did you hear con-"prof" Daniels call for Newark to be declared an "african city"? How about his wanting President Obama to posthumously pardon Garvey, the crook who imagined accomplishments ignite these grasping-at-straws, blind followers?

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  9. Have you driven through Newark in the past twenty years? Well, keep the windows rolled up, because it stinks. It should be declared a stench city.

    The only place Garvey should even be mentioned is in some old reggae songs. Seriously, to drag out a joke like that guy is to dig to the lowest depths for a hero. People like Daniels can't come up with better icons?

    Anyway, I recommend WBAI have a New Years Eve UFO sighting event with Geoff Brady and Kathy "Cake" Davis. Bring your own binoculars and join them on the roof of the Commons.

    SDL

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    1. I haven't been to Newark in many years.

      People like Daniels are such hypocrites that their moves and alleged ideologies are driven by materialism and a quest for the petty power that can bring them a smattering of recognition and income. They prey on a segment of their own people, those whose emotional needs make them most vulnerable for another "nation time" mirage. The motivating objective of these fraudsters is not to improve the lot of anyone other than their own.

      Placing Garvey atop their imaginary pedestal cannot erase the image of en enterprising scam artist, fully costumed in his 18th Century admiral's garb, meeting with 20th Century Ku Klux Klan leaders who fully supported his "back to Africa" scheme.

      I like your idea for a rooftop UFO sighting event.

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    2. In 1925, 25,000 Klan members in full regalia marched down Pennsylvania Avenue. President Harding took the oath of membership of the Klan in the oval office. I think it was pretty smart for Marcus Garvey to cozy up to them. It looked like they were the power behind the power. I heard this from Elombe Bad Breth and it is the one thing I ever agreed with him.

      KGT

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  10. Do you want to know what pus oozing from a wound sounds like? Just listen to Katie Halper!

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    1. I have had a similar analogy in mind, Justine.

      Hope you are well and braced for the next four years (or less, if the village idiot keeps it up).

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    2. Harsh much? OK the show could use some work and her guests make Chris look like a conservative but that's just...harsh.

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  11. Chris--I agree with most of your program assessments. I also would add Dwight Brewster and Joyce Jones to the list of still-worthwhile BAI producer-hosts.

    If David Rothenberg didn't mention the Fortune Society or his political views (which, at times, make him seem like just a bitter old man), his show would be indistinguishable from David Kenney's. That makes me sad, because I really liked David not so long ago.

    As for "On The Count": It's still good, though it's lost something since Eddie Ellis died. On the other hand, "The Personal Computer Show" is just, well, tired.



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    1. Justine, I totally agree with your post. I opened the door for David and still admire his good work re the Fortune Society, but he has become an intolerable star-struck character. I am weary of people who brag about their own inability to appreciate/handle successful conveniences, such as the digital age has brought us. Are we supposed to admire him for being stuck in time?

      Regarding the comparison with David Kenney, The Garland/Minelli cult has been a cringe-inducing footnote for a long time now. The editorials? Well, it would help if they contained some original thought. I also wish David would take a moment to at least get basic info on the artists he plays—the ones who aren't friends of Dorothy, as we used to say.

      Eddie Ellis was very good and I agree that the show's current host(s) are doing well... I think they'll catch up.

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  12. re: David Rothenberg, I have heard him for 30 years since he was a regular on BAI, although he goes back on BAI since 1968, well before I even owned am FM radio. In the 1980's his show was totally gay-rights related and was in the middle of the AIDS epidemic at its zenith and was relevant. He was running for City Council. Now, it's all related to the Fortune Society, an organization he left 30 years ago. He feels that black crime is because "black and Latino youth" were not exposed to Broadway plays in their formative years. Now that he takes them by the hand to Mambo Mouth or Blue Man Group, their eyes open up, they fill with culture and turn into MENSCHES before his very eyes. Most staff members of Fortune Society wish he would retire to a rocking chair or go back to the Andy Humm crew he was with before. Aside from the music, which can be found on YouTube, he is annoying and like an old faygila, just fade away. An old faygila who did his duty as HaShem gave him the light to see that duty.

    KGT

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    1. He is a very different person from the one I knew in the Sixties, although he still lives in that decade.

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    2. Old Faygalas never die, Never die, Never die,
      Old Faygalas never die, They just fade away.

      Vaughn Monroe

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    3. The Two Davids--and, sometimes OUT FM--play into the oldest and worst stereotypes about LGBT people.

      They embarrass me as a transgender woman. On the other hand, The Illustrious Blacks embarrass me as a human being.

      I think "The Joy Of Resistance" is very good. But, what's with putting "The Rape Declaration Forum" on at 5 am every other Friday? Rebecca Myles is one of the best producer/hosts, and possibly the best interviewer, on WBAI.

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    4. By the other of the Two, are you referring to Wynyard?

      KGT

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  13. I was just listening to Trump Watch. Its actually pretty good. I was just expecting a rant but it was a good discussion about Pence and his role in the administration. I did get my rant when he started taking calls. Its interesting in that it was only a half hour. It left me wanting more. When was the last time anyone said that about a program on WBAI?

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    1. It surprised me, too, and I think it could easily work with an added 30 minutes.

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  14. KGT--I was referring to Rothenberg and Kenney. I've never listened to Wynyard (at least, not that I recall), so I can't comment on him.

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    1. I sort of inferred you were referring to David Kenny. It is obvious that David Kenny is gay by his radio verbal cadence, but he has never once has mentioned it on air. He is friendly loves his music and is an expert with very admirable friends, like Michael Feinstein, and runs a completely professional-like program. I am a big-band, swing fan- like Tommy Dorsey, Glenn Miller, Harry James, which he is light on and I don't like his cabaret focus, but I can't think of one thing to really criticize him as negatively stereotyping the gay community. I would prefer to listen to Rich Conaty on WFUV but the only 1920s music I like is Paul Whiteman and Bix Beiderbecke. Jonathan Schwartz is straight but so full of himself that he sounds gay and makes me puke. Just what are you referring to?

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    2. I believe David Kenny once mentioned on his show that he is married to another man.

      That said, I do believe that there is a strong clue in his choice of music and the fact that he will readily air horrendous performances by artists like Liza Minelli and her mother, as well as unspeakably bad cabaret newcomers.

      Nothing wrong with a gay-oriented show, but this one is painfully stereotypical and bereft of substance, which, alone should disqualify it from a spot on the WBAI schedule.

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    3. I tell you that I am as heterosexual as you can get and I think Michael Feinstein is a total musical genius. Liza is a burn-out. So is Harry Connick. Michael Buble and John Pizzarelli have greatness, but don't always measure up. There was a gay cabaret guy years ago on BAI named Lee Ryan. Dave Kenny has a thing for Rosemary Clooney whom I always reviled and Tony Bennett whom I think is a no-talent gavon. My favorite singers of all time are early Frank Sinatra early Bing, Julius LaRosa (death to Arthur Godfrey) sometimes Dean, but on top are 1) Dick Haymes and 2) Bobby Darin.
      Do I get a second on that?

      KGT

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    4. Also, I am a trumpeter. After Harry, my two favorite trumpeters are:
      1) Charlie Spivak, and
      2) Ray Anthony
      How about that?

      KGT

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    5. Three fine trumpet players who reflect your love for big bands.

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  15. tuned in this morning to hear that ron daniels rerun ,in place of haskins .
    Hate to say it , but daniels makes haskins look good in comparison.
    how f'ed up is that ? Talk about from bad to worse .

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    1. I think they are equally deplorable, each in his own way.

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  16. has "education" at the crossroads ever actually done one show on well, education . hmmm ....
    Does a pretty good job though,at promoting his homeboys .

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    1. I don't know what the original concept was, but it has little or nothing to do with education, in the academic sense. It's just another air slot wasted on superficial racist blather.

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  17. Fass just got cut down to size. Need I say I had a smile on my face seeing the hypocrite shown up?

    SDL

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    1. I heard it. He is embarrassing, especially when he doesn't have any other answer than to hang up. Isn't free speech great? I am hearing the nasty Fass I got to know—latecomers to WBAI didn't believe me when I said that there is a dark side to this hypocrite. He fit right in with Steve Post and Larry Josephson, the three of them changed many people's mind about WBAI.

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    2. Well, the caller lasted longer on the air with Fass than he would have with Brady, Haskins, etc., who cut people off immediately. WBAI's concept of free speech is like that of any commercial radio talk show, as long as you agree with the host, you get to talk.

      SDL

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    3. Well, yes, but WBAI's listeners are possibly the people who keep them on the air, so I think it's okay to cut their call short if they're just babbling, but there is no need to be so rude when they are trying to get a point across. Fass kept interrupting the guy. Fass is really another stain on this discolored station.

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    4. Everything I have to say about Fass, I have said before. The guy and his few listeners are a bore.

      Generally, in this time slot, I switch back and forth between Noory on WOR AM and Fass, depending on what Noory is yapping about.

      SDL

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    5. I am not familiar with Noory, but he can't be as bad as Fass.

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    6. Noory is on WOR 710 AM midnight to 5AM weekday nights. He took over AM Coast to Coast from the superior Art Bell. Essentially, the show is a mix of conspiracies, paranormal, and lunacy. he's what Geoff Brady wishes he had the talent to be.

      However, that said, sometimes there are interesting topics, like Operation Gladio, CIA, JFK, U.S.S.Indianapolis, etc. It's worth checking out nightly to see what will be on, or what loonie may be good for some laughs.

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    7. Sounds interesting—I'll check it out and let you know what I think.

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    8. June 8, 2017 bis the 50th anniversary of the attack of the Zionists on the U.S.S.
      Liberty. Let's see how George Noury will handle that.

      KGT

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    9. Its kind of odd that LBJ never talked about the Liberty. Then again, he had other things on his mind by that point.

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    10. LBJ started to, but got intelligence that that the Liberty was only 10 miles from Gaza and the Sinai, respectively, and possibly not properly identified (always a matter of contention) and had not told Israeli Army Chief of Staff Yitzhak Rabin that a U.S. ship was operating so close to a war zone, so the big fat putz backed off. Also, Golda Meir gave him a special "briefing" in the room later used by Bill Clinton.

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  18. if you actually listen to all those WBAI shows, to give this rating list, I am amazed at your willingness to numb your mind with all those spoken-or-shouted words and promos...as each program at WBAI as KPFK are not mainly 'informative" but "promotional"...

    all the while claiming to be "non-commercial"

    as if promos, PR, & fake announcements lauded to seem to be "just giving you info,folks, nothing more here ...ha ha " They are P.R. and promotional advertising [aka "marketing", selling, free media displays pretending to be "news" or "local listings of events"...LIES to cover up what is really done, not even covertly !

    why does no one ever confront or demand HONESTY from any Pacifica program for their biases, slants, propaganda, Trades in-kind if not for actual cash$$$ ?

    What was called "payola" and all Pacifica stations/programmers/ donors/members refuse to admit or remember was Illegal...is continually and openly being done [even w/o the actual cash dollars being traded].

    Why is this denial allowed ?

    Is "non-commercial" any different or same: as what is constantly done at all Pacifica radio stations - as they ARE broadcasting "promotional" blurbs from their favored [cronies] "guests" and the faxed promo-blurbs and their own favorite groupies.

    Why is this allowed w/o comment or supervision or admission of double-talk : we do what we say we don't do and we are lying about being 'non-profit' if we advertise even without dollars exchanged for on-air promos.

    or what is happening ? please explain for the 'rest of us'. thanx


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    1. I don't know if you are addressing your post to me or Jack Shalom, who created the original list, but here is my response to you, KPFKCommentator.

      Your summary of WBAI's current thrust is right on the money, as it were. With a few notable exceptions, what we have is propaganda delivered as thinly veiled information.

      WBAI is—as I keep pointing out—thoroughly dishonest, whether it comes to describing the station and its raison d'etre or events on the outside. Many of the lies are created through omission, which gives them a veneer of truth, but they are lies, nevertheless.

      As you point out, honesty is not in their vocabulary, but it certainly was in Lew Hill's and through the first few years. As the station's manager, I would have removed from our air any host/producer who attempted to deceive our supporters: the listener/members. This is not something Berthold Reimers would agree with, for he is perhaps the main deceiver. The station reflects management's mindset—that says all that is needed to say about this $100,000.00-a-year obstacle.

      I wish I could tell you what is happening, but sometimes I have to wonder if the principal players know.

      The long and short of it is that Pacifica and WBAI have been in the hands of opportunistic obstructionists for so long that there may be no returning to normal.

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  19. Chris wrote Dec 26 [website refused my reply there ...clever URL]: " but I try to be objective --so my assessments do not necessarily reflect my personal likes or dislikes"...

    makes us wonder about: denial, honesty, and his being conscious of his words & actions now.

    Know anyone who is not projecting, absorbing, slanting and then re-flecting their own versions of **their "reality" ** out to others ? While the convenient claim to "OBJECTIVITY" is a game, even honorable scientists admit 'it just cant be done", So their hypotheses are even stated as "99%" or less, never 100%. Cuz there ain't none.

    Yes, Chris, you too are a conditioned, socialized, ltd. specific cultured human.
    Your own preferences and choices are just part of your ratings. And that's 'normal' and OK. just admit it, instead of playing/ pretending You Can Be "Objective" -- w/o inserting your own into your words [words are also chosen], your views, your selected attention to whatever , etc etc.

    Like any one who makes exaggerated claims and then claims to know some external Objective Truth - or rating or criticism - or whatever...this is an unfortunate choice of words, and I hope you don't believe them youself. Do you ?

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  20. If I mistaken name of writer of ratings of programs, sorry I mixed that up. Whoever did write the list was the person referred to in my previous critical post.

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    1. Thank you. No problem, as I noted above, the original program list and assessment was authored by Jack Shalom. He is a regular on Prairie Miller's "Arts Express" (Thursdays at 2 PM).

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